Dealing with Overwhelming Emotions with Jackie Schuld

Episode Summary of “Dealing with Overwhelming Emotions with Jackie Schuld”

Welcome to Episode 034 of The Communicate & Connect Podcast, where we delve into the essential skills of effective communication and relationship-building, particularly in the challenging yet rewarding context of military relationships. I’m your host, Dr. Elizabeth Polinsky, a dedicated military marriage counselor, and today we are thrilled to have Jackie Schuld, an accomplished art therapist, mental health counselor, and military brat with a deep understanding of military life, joining us for a captivating discussion on dealing with overwhelming emotions.

In this episode, we tackle how to manage complex emotions in relationships and distinguish between stating facts and making judgments—a crucial element in preventing misunderstandings. With insightful guidance from Jackie, we’ll explore how unresolved personal histories can subtly influence current dynamics in marriages, and learn practical strategies to effectively address and manage these emotions.

Particularly for military couples, who face unique challenges such as frequent relocations and long-distance deployments, understanding the fluctuating nature of emotional needs becomes even more vital. Jackie will introduce us to the transformative framework of Marshall Rosenberg’s nonviolent communication (NVC), a powerful theory and technique that focuses on understanding how our emotions are tied to the fulfillment of our needs. She will explain how positive emotions arise from met needs like adventure, and how challenges such as anger often reflect unmet needs for justice or understanding.

This episode is packed with practical advice on expressing emotions without judgment, identifying unmet needs, and finding creative solutions when partners are unavailable to meet those needs—skills that are invaluable for military couples constantly navigating the demands of military life. We’ll also discuss various types of needs, including physical, community, and spiritual, and how these can impact relationship satisfaction.

Guest Speaker Bio – “Jackie Schuld”

Jackie Schuld is a dedicated art therapist who believes in the transformative power of acknowledging and expressing emotions. She advocates for the importance of allowing oneself to fully experience and understand their feelings, often suppressed due to fear of vulnerability. Jackie employs creative techniques, such as messy painting, to help her clients externalize their inner emotions and honor their presence. Her therapeutic approach underscores that emotional expression can take many forms, including talking to someone or journaling. Jackie is committed to guiding individuals through their emotional landscapes to promote healing and self-awareness.

Check out her website here.

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Episode Transcript for “Dealing with Overwhelming Emotions with Jackie Schuld”

Dr. Elizabeth Polinsky [00:00:01]:
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Dr. Elizabeth Polinsky [00:00:27]:
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Dr. Elizabeth Polinsky [00:01:02]:
You’re listening to episode 34, dealing with overwhelming Emotions with Jackie Schuld. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the Communicate and Connect podcast. I’m really excited for this episode because today we’re going to be talking about how to deal with overwhelming emotions.

And we have a guest today, Jackie Schold, who is an art therapist and a mental health counselor, and she has some interesting takes on how to work with emotions and how she teaches her clients to deal with emotions and then how this could be helpful for military couples. So we’ll just start off and Jackie, could you tell us a little bit about yourself, like who you are, what you do, that sort of thing?

Jackie Schuld [00:01:56]:
Yes, absolutely. You nailed it with I’m an artist and I specialize in individuals with overwhelming thoughts and emotions. So I do this all day long. And really, it think the other relevant thing to, since this is a podcast, Military Couples, is that I am a military brat. My family was in the Air Force, so.

Dr. Elizabeth Polinsky [00:02:19]:
Okay, I’m happy to be here. Yeah, I’m glad you’re here. Yeah. My family was Navy, so I also grew up that way. So. Yeah. So I figured we could just first start by talking about how emotions are related to marriage. Because I think for a lot of people who I don’t know, they read books or they listen to podcasts and they hear things like, okay, go on date nights, you use I statements, sort of like to talk about your finances, and all of that stuff is lovely.

Dr. Elizabeth Polinsky [00:02:52]:
But like, my own individual mental health and my own ability to deal with my emotions, I think is really relevant to how people can even navigate any of their discussions, how they deal with finances. Like, all of that stuff, I think is directly tied to how someone can deal with their emotions. So I’m curious if you have any thoughts about how Dealing with your emotions impacts marriage or is related to marriage or anything like that.

Jackie Schuld [00:03:24]:
I mean, it impacts all of our relationships because personal experiences shape how we feel in a moment. So for instance, you might be talking with your spouse and they see something that you’re like, oh, that makes me angry. And then stuck in that anger. And your spouse has no idea that then everything, that thing, you’re just getting angrier and angrier. That’s one example.

Dr. Elizabeth Polinsky [00:03:53]:
Yeah. Yeah. So someone like in a conversation, one of the people getting angry, then like, what do you do with those emotions? That would be one way that emotions could impact a relationship of some kind. Yeah.

Jackie Schuld [00:04:10]:
Yes.

Dr. Elizabeth Polinsky [00:04:11]:
Yeah, go ahead.

Jackie Schuld [00:04:13]:
Oh, go ahead. Sorry. I was going to say, a lot of times our emotions don’t have much to do with the other person. I know that sounds strange, but for instance, in a conversation may start to feel angry because you feel person isn’t understanding you. And that might have more to do with your own history of not feeling heard and understood in your life. And so this person is playing into the life story without even realizing it.

Dr. Elizabeth Polinsky [00:04:45]:
Okay, I like that. Let me repeat that. Just so that way I’m keeping track of it in my mind. I have to repeat things a lot, so bear with me. Okay. So we all have these stories that we learn about ourselves and about other people from our life experiences. And then when I’m interacting with my partner, if I feel like they miss, aren’t. Aren’t understanding me, that might be, you know, maybe they’re not understanding me, but maybe it’s more that something about what they’re doing or saying is bringing up this painful story that has been a theme or a pattern in my life.

Jackie Schuld [00:05:25]:
It’s like resonating, visceral level, like, oh, this doesn’t feel. No, they’re not understanding.

Managing overwhelming emotions: Essential for couples’ success.

Dr. Elizabeth Polinsky [00:05:32]:
So I could see how this would happen for pretty much any relationship. Like, I was just thinking, I’m sure I have stories from work environments too. Not just marriage type stories, but ways that my, like different careers or things that have happened in my careers where it could show up with my boss or with a friend or something like that. So. But we are talking about couples on our podcast, so I’ll try to. I’ll try to gear back towards that. I tend to think that this is probably really important for military couples. Obviously any couple would benefit from trying to work on how do I work through overwhelming emotions.

Dr. Elizabeth Polinsky [00:06:17]:
But military couples really do face a lot of unique challenges, which I know you are aware, being Air Force, right? Air Force brat.

Jackie Schuld [00:06:27]:
Yeah.

Dr. Elizabeth Polinsky [00:06:29]:
Yeah. So I’M sure you got exposed to a lot of the similar things, like constant or frequent moves, long distance deployments, all of that type of thing. And so just lack of control. Yeah.

Jackie Schuld [00:06:44]:
You know, all those things you just mentioned, that’s outside of the family’s control.

Dr. Elizabeth Polinsky [00:06:49]:
Yes. Yeah. Which is a big emotional thing.

Jackie Schuld [00:06:54]:
Yeah.

Dr. Elizabeth Polinsky [00:06:54]:
To feel. To feel like I’m out of control, I have no control in my life is a. That can be a pretty overwhelming emotion as well. Yeah. Yeah. Which is something that not all, you know, civilian couples don’t have to go through or deal with. The. Not that they never feel out of control or, like, they don’t have control in life, but the frequency of having things happen that they have no control over.

Jackie Schuld [00:07:23]:
Right. Or like, I’m going to move there. No, not doing it.

Dr. Elizabeth Polinsky [00:07:27]:
Yes.

Jackie Schuld [00:07:27]:
Like, they have that choice.

Military deployment triggers anxiety and overwhelming emotions.

Dr. Elizabeth Polinsky [00:07:30]:
Yeah. Yeah. And. And I think I know a lot of other difficult emotions come up with that. Right. Like sadness, anger, like you were mentioning earlier, probably anxiety. Yeah. I was just thinking, like, there could be a lot of different types of overwhelming emotions that come up for people, and then the frequency of it, I think is higher for military couples because now you’re going to deploy, and so now I have anxiety about the fact that you’re going to deploy, and then you deploy, and now I have all of this sadness and loneliness.

Dr. Elizabeth Polinsky [00:08:07]:
And then you’re going to come back. And now I feel anxious about the fact that you’re coming back and you’re coming back and now we’re going to move. Right.

Jackie Schuld [00:08:14]:
And, like, my view of emotions is based on needs are beneath. Like, for instance, we have a need for safety, we have a need for understanding, we have a need for connection. And so in a military life, those needs are constantly shifting that, you know, when your spouse is deployed, you have to meet a lot of your needs, and then they come back and that House wants to meet those needs. And it’s a gift.

Dr. Elizabeth Polinsky [00:08:44]:
Yeah. Yeah. So tell me a little bit more about this idea of needs being underneath emotions, because I don’t think I’ve ever talked about that on this podcast before. So explain that a little bit for the audience. Like, what do you mean when you say there are needs underneath emotions?

Jackie Schuld [00:09:05]:
Okay. This is based on Marshall Rosenberg’s nonviolent communication. It’s a framework. He looked, which he explains that when we have a feeling such as happiness, joy, anger, sadness, under is a need in our life. So it’s basically something we value. Like I mentioned safety, understanding, connection, we’re the one. So, for instance, if you’re feeling Happy. It’s because your need, action, or adventure was met.

Jackie Schuld [00:09:42]:
You’re like, went somewhere, did something fun, or if you’re feeling angry, maybe you value for justice was not met. Or your need for being listened to was not met. Or your need for being understood was not met. So by slowing down, we can kind of dig beneath, hey, I’m feeling this way. That need is not being met here.

Dr. Elizabeth Polinsky [00:10:08]:
Okay. And so you said this comes from nonviolent communication, which is. It’s like a technique or a theory about communication. What is it?

Jackie Schuld [00:10:17]:
Yeah, it’s a theory developed by Rosenberg, and also he has a great book, Nonviolent communication, and he also gives techniques in it.

Dr. Elizabeth Polinsky [00:10:26]:
So. Okay. Okay. So he developed this theory, and he also provides techniques in the book. And the book is called Nonviolent Communication.

Jackie Schuld [00:10:37]:
Yes.

Dr. Elizabeth Polinsky [00:10:37]:
Okay. And so in this theory, the reason that people have emotions is because I have a need, and it’s either not getting met or it is getting met. Like, if it is getting met, I have a positive emotion, and then if it’s not getting met, I have a more challenging emotion.

Jackie Schuld [00:10:57]:
Yeah, I think that is a good explanation. In its simplest form, though, I want to acknowledge complex beings, and usually there’s multiple fears and multiple needs. It’s late.

Dr. Elizabeth Polinsky [00:11:10]:
Yeah. So I could have more than one need and more than one feeling at the same time. Absolutely. Yeah. Okay. When you work with your clients on nonviolent communication and dealing with their overwhelming emotions, can you take us through kind of some of the steps that you use to help clients deal with overwhelming emotions?

Art therapy promotes emotional expression and understanding.

Jackie Schuld [00:11:35]:
Yes. For me, as an art therapist, one of the first things is giving permission to actually feel their emotions. A lot of times we hold them at arm’s length, or we. We don’t want to go there because we think we’ll cry. And how can we possibly understand what’s beneath them if we’re not even allowing emotions in the first place?

And so as an art therapist, I like, you know, a lot of times we’ll do, like, a messy painting or, like, something to get all the emotions out and honor that they’re present. I get. Not everyone works with an art therapist, but that can be done through, you know, talking to someone, journaling. There’s many methods.

Dr. Elizabeth Polinsky [00:12:14]:
Okay. So getting. Getting the emotions out. So, like, the first step is to let yourself feel your feelings, and that could. And get them out either by talking or by expressing them through art.

Jackie Schuld [00:12:29]:
Yes. Yes.

Dr. Elizabeth Polinsky [00:12:30]:
Okay. Okay. And then. And then what do you do? What happens next?

Jackie Schuld [00:12:35]:
So then once you see what you’re dealing with, then you can you know, I usually start with the emotion that’s most charged. For instance, let’s say anger, and we’ll look at. Okay, what needs were not being met in this moment that created this anger so frequent. I keep using the example of understanding because that is what I hear most often. Individuals talking about their partnerships. They’re like, they didn’t understand me. Yeah, so. Or they didn’t hear me.

Jackie Schuld [00:13:08]:
You know, like, if their partner cut them off or didn’t give them enough space. So that’s another need is being fully heard, being understood. So we kind of get to that level.

Dr. Elizabeth Polinsky [00:13:22]:
Okay. Okay. So step one is to feel my feelings and express them in some way. And then step two is to look for, like, I guess look at. This is the incident or the event. This is what happened that made me feel my emotion. And then what. And then the next step is what were my needs that didn’t get met.

Dr. Elizabeth Polinsky [00:13:49]:
That. And that’s the reason why I’m feeling this way.

Jackie Schuld [00:13:54]:
Right. And I think it might be good if I provided another example that doesn’t involve an argument. Because, for instance, a partner might be feeling some resentment, exhaustion, things like that. And getting that it’s. They have a need for equality in their marriage, for support. So kind of identifying, oh, I’m. I’m carrying. I’m doing most of the things in the home right now.

Jackie Schuld [00:14:22]:
I am. Our marriage is not equal right now. And I don’t feel I have support. And that’s why I’m feeling this exhausted and resentful.

Dr. Elizabeth Polinsky [00:14:30]:
Yeah. Yeah. I can give another example from my personal life if that works. Just. Yeah, yeah, I just. Because I was thinking about this, because it’s also not a fight. Like, my husband and I are not fighting about this. And.

Kizomba dance trip to Angola with friends.

Dr. Elizabeth Polinsky [00:14:45]:
And you’re right. It is easy to think about. Okay, what was my. I don’t know if it’s easy, but it’s easier to go to. Okay, what was the fight? And what was my unmet need in the fight? But I might have emotions that are not related to a fight that are also somehow an unmet need. And so, like, I really want to go with my friends. I do a social dance called Kizomba, which is an African dance that I’m, like, super into right now, and it’s so, so much fun. But my friends are going to Angola, Africa next year to go spend two weeks and just go dancing.

Dr. Elizabeth Polinsky [00:15:27]:
And so I really want to go. And this is, like, my need for fun. Maybe. I mean, I don’t. I don’t know the need exactly.

Jackie Schuld [00:15:35]:
Okay.

Dr. Elizabeth Polinsky [00:15:36]:
Okay. My need for fun, my need for adventure. I get. I don’t really know what. Dancing. What. What need. That means expression.

Dr. Elizabeth Polinsky [00:15:45]:
Expression, maybe. Yeah. Okay.

Jackie Schuld [00:15:46]:
Is a need.

Dr. Elizabeth Polinsky [00:15:48]:
Okay. Yeah. So not knowing the types of needs that are available for me to pull from, from nonviolent communication is making this example hard for me. But that would be an example where I have a need that now we have to negotiate that in our relationship. Like, are you going to be cool if I just go to Africa for two weeks to go dancing?

Jackie Schuld [00:16:14]:
Yes.

Dr. Elizabeth Polinsky [00:16:15]:
Okay. And so that would be an example. That could be something very different than a fight. But still I have an emotion and that’s connected to my needs.

Jackie Schuld [00:16:27]:
Yes.

Dr. Elizabeth Polinsky [00:16:27]:
Okay.

Jackie Schuld [00:16:28]:
And to your point, online, there are plenty. If you type in nonviolent communication needs, there are plenty of lists online of all the different needs. And I usually have them printed for tab in person with my clients so we can reference them and kind of jog their. Like, oh, yeah, it’s this kind of a thing.

Dr. Elizabeth Polinsky [00:16:47]:
Okay. So I will make sure to. Maybe you and I can get together and find, like, what a good list would be and we can include that list in the show notes for this episode. So that way people could go look and see, like, what are all these needs that people have that are often underlying their emotions? But maybe would you mind just like, I don’t know, listing off some that come to the top of your head?

Jackie Schuld [00:17:12]:
So there’s around just your physical environment. So, you know, we have for shelter, protection, safety, nourishment. So there’s basic physical needs, and then there’s community needs, our understanding, being seen, being heard, and then there’s even our own. I think of spiritual needs, which is solitude is a need or rest is a need. So there’s kind of different categories that help break it down to make it a little more digestible.

Introverted partners often require solitude time.

Dr. Elizabeth Polinsky [00:17:48]:
Yeah. You know, when you said solitude, that really stuck out to me because I was thinking, like, so, so often someone in a couple need is more introverted. Right. One of the two people is the more introverted one who needs more alone time or time to just be in their thoughts or something.

And I, Yeah, I was just thinking, like, I can see that being a need that someone would have that isn’t a need that I would have thought of being a need. You know, I would never have thought like, oh, I need solitude, or, oh, my partner needs solitude. Like, that’s not something that would have naturally come to my mind. Yeah.

Jackie Schuld [00:18:37]:
And yet that could be a big fight in a relationship where, you know, someone’s needing Solitude, their person’s feeling, like, why am I not good enough for you? Why you don’t want to spend time with me? Like, what’s wrong with me? Like, it can quickly escalate.

Dr. Elizabeth Polinsky [00:18:51]:
Yes. Yeah, exactly. Because you have a need for solitude and I have a need for connection.

Jackie Schuld [00:18:58]:
Yes.

Dr. Elizabeth Polinsky [00:18:59]:
And then how do we navigate that? We have these two needs. Let me recap here. We have sort of like, step one is, notice your feelings. Let yourself have them. Express them in some way, sort of to yourself, like through art or journaling or talking them out or something. And then we have thinking about, okay, what was the situation that made me feel this way? And then what was my unmet need in the situation that brought up my emotion?

Jackie Schuld [00:19:31]:
Yes.

Dr. Elizabeth Polinsky [00:19:32]:
And then do you have any thoughts about what you do once you have identified the unmet need?

Jackie Schuld [00:19:39]:
That depends on the situation. A lot of times with couples, the goal is to be able to return to your partner and express those things, to say, you know, hey, when this. I was feeling this way because I was needing this. And then to be very specific, like, have a specific request for the individual.

Dr. Elizabeth Polinsky [00:20:04]:
Okay, so think about my need. I can share it with my partner, and I could also make a request of them.

Jackie Schuld [00:20:12]:
Yes.

Dr. Elizabeth Polinsky [00:20:13]:
Yeah. Okay. Could you give us an example of how that might. I don’t know if there’s a common example with the couples that you work with, but yes.

Address unmet needs by expressing feelings neutrally.

Jackie Schuld [00:20:22]:
Well, there’s an example of, say you’re upset because when your partner comes home, they immediately want to just sit on the couch and watch tv. And meanwhile, you have been home with the children and attending to the house, and you have a need for solitude and rest and a break. And so there’s this, you know, resentment builds up because you have this unmet need.

So what you would do is as specifically as you can, without using judgments, you would say to your partner, like, hey, when you come home and go directly to the television, I’m feeling exhausted and tired and lonely and angry in those moments because I am needing rest and some solitude and for my efforts to be seen. And so you’re really trying to take it on yourself and not say, you’re not seeing me. You’re not giving me rest. It’s kind of trying to create a neutral ground.

Dr. Elizabeth Polinsky [00:21:38]:
Okay, I’m sorry. Maybe I missed it. You said, I have a need for rest and to be seen. And then is that the request, or do I do something else as a request, saying that?

Jackie Schuld [00:21:51]:
Because you’re right, that’s broad. That, like, someone’s interpretation of how to give you rest Like, I’d be like, okay, go to the bathroom for five minutes. Is that enough? Like, yeah, they don’t know. So you need to provide something specific, concrete, as would possible. For three days a week, when you home, you take over entertaining the kids, and I can go to the bedroom for a half an hour by myself.

Dr. Elizabeth Polinsky [00:22:24]:
Okay. Like, this is the exact outcome that I want. That’s what I would want to include in the request.

Jackie Schuld [00:22:31]:
Yes.

Dr. Elizabeth Polinsky [00:22:32]:
Okay.

Jackie Schuld [00:22:33]:
And in more complicated situations, you can acknowledge, like, I’m not sure how to fix this. Can we talk about it?

Dr. Elizabeth Polinsky [00:22:42]:
Okay, so then in that case, my request would be, can we talk about it? If I don’t have something, I don’t have, like, a specific outcome that I’m, I guess, requesting of my partner. It could be. I would like us to talk about it more. Us talking about it.

Jackie Schuld [00:23:01]:
Can we brainstorm ways to have your needs met and my needs met?

Dr. Elizabeth Polinsky [00:23:07]:
I like that idea. Can we brainstorm together? That’s a very, like, team. That feels very team like, which I think I like that solution there. We’ve covered a lot of ground. If you had to say two tips for military couples when dealing with overwhelming emotions, maybe nonviolent communication, what would be your top two tips for couples when they’re feeling overwhelming feelings?

Jackie Schuld [00:23:37]:
Given our conversation, I have a fresh tip in that sometimes you’re going to have unmet needs that your partner cannot meet. For instance, if you’re home and exhausted and your partner is deployed, partner cannot meet that need of the challenges of home. So sometimes what it takes is brainstorming other ways to get those needs met. So I just. That’s one tip to throw.

Dr. Elizabeth Polinsky [00:24:09]:
Okay. So, yeah, so. Because that’s really relevant, right? Especially for military couples, because there are a lot of times that my partner can’t meet my needs because they’re meeting the needs of the military. So, yes. Okay, so then you’re saying I can still, like, let myself feel those feelings, express them, identify my unmet needs. But then I might have to brainstorm on my own. How else can I get those needs met?

Jackie Schuld [00:24:43]:
Right. Like, for instance, maybe you’re really needing connection. Like, you’re missing your spouse, but they’re not there. And so maybe you decide to join a group or reach. Make a regular coffee date with a friend. You find a different way to get connection.

Dr. Elizabeth Polinsky [00:24:56]:
I like that tip that. That feels really needed. Any other tips? Any other tips or last. Yeah.

Jackie Schuld [00:25:04]:
Thoughts?

Dr. Elizabeth Polinsky [00:25:05]:
Okay.

Express feelings neutrally; avoid judgmental language.

Jackie Schuld [00:25:06]:
I will say if you are wading into this territory with your partner, you’re like, I want to talk about the feelings and needs. You can so easily derail it if you start by with judgment, meaning, hey, you were super crappy to me the other day. I was feeling angry. The minute you say, like, when you’re being crappy, usually it’s strong language, but, you know, like, honest. Just start as neutral as possible. Being like, hey, when we yesterday, you know, hit on any inflammatory language.

Dr. Elizabeth Polinsky [00:25:46]:
Okay. So don’t just start criticizing my partner as I start the conversation.

Jackie Schuld [00:25:52]:
Right. Because they’ll be in a space to listen. They’ll be in a defensive space.

Dr. Elizabeth Polinsky [00:25:57]:
Yeah. So the way to do that is to remove judgment from my. From how I’m talking about it. Do you have any tips on how to remove judgment from, like, when I bring this up, especially if I am angry, how do I go about removing the judgment from what I’m saying?

Jackie Schuld [00:26:19]:
Hmm. I would suggest practicing it in that practicing, you’re trying to just give observations without anything that’s involved in your assessment of the situation. So leave out the assessment more. Just like, hey, we had a talk. Or when you came home and sat.

Dr. Elizabeth Polinsky [00:26:39]:
On the couch, like, okay, when you came home and sat on the couch, that is fair game. That’s just a fact. Versus if I said, when you were. Came home and were lazy and didn’t do anything to help me, that would be the judgment part.

Jackie Schuld [00:26:56]:
Or like, another judgment I hear a lot is, like, when you always come home and, like, that’s another judgment of, like, always. The extremes of, like, always, never, like, ironically, that is never the case. Yeah, it’s. There’s always exceptions.

Podcast episode idea: Understanding and eliminating judgment.

Dr. Elizabeth Polinsky [00:27:18]:
Okay. You know, this is giving me an idea. I think at some point on this podcast, we should probably do an episode on judgment. Like, what is judgment and how do you get rid of judgment? How do you remove that from your language type of stuff? But what I’m hearing is stick with the facts and leave out any opinions or assessments or evaluations of what I think the facts mean.

Jackie Schuld [00:27:46]:
Yeah.

Dr. Elizabeth Polinsky [00:27:47]:
All right. Well, Jackie, I’ve really loved having you on this podcast. Could you tell us, like, if somebody wanted to learn more about art therapy or they wanted to learn more about nonviolent communication or they wanted to work with you, could you tell everybody, like, how they. How they could learn more or work with you?

Jackie Schuld [00:28:08]:
The best way to reach me is through my website, which is www.jackieschuld.com. i’m sure we’ll put it in the show notes.

Dr. Elizabeth Polinsky [00:28:16]:
Yes.

Jackie Schuld [00:28:17]:
And on there, I have a whole section on resources about all of these topics, as well as I have a blog. I write daily on these and so they’re resources in themselves.

Dr. Elizabeth Polinsky [00:28:30]:
Okay, great. So there are a lot of educational resources on your website and then the website is also a way that people could learn more about working with you.

Jackie Schuld [00:28:38]:
Yes, absolutely.

Dr. Elizabeth Polinsky [00:28:40]:
Okay, great. Yeah, we will definitely have that in the show notes for this episode. So thank you so much for being on the podcast.

Jackie Schuld [00:28:48]:
You’re welcome.

Dr. Elizabeth Polinsky [00:28:49]:
Thank you for having me.

Dr. Elizabeth Polinsky [00:29:00]:
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